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Hans Kotkavuori
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The best place in town is "placing her at Kanavaterminaali (Nordic Jet Line terminal) in Katajanokka instead of building a hotel in place of the
terminal", more or less the same spot from where it stood in Helsinki. But Hietalahden telakka, AKER Yarss, Helsinki has it´s merits as well.
So what to do next?
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Hans Kotkavuori
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| posted on 4-9-2008 at 12:53 |
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Kepa
No, the former Finnjet terminal is not going to be destroyed. Not as far as I know, anyway. The plan however, is to erect an X - designed Glassmonster
Hotel on the other end of the same pier. That is the Kanavaterminaali (Nordic Jet Line terminal), the place which is nearest to the former Enso -
headquarters.
As you probably know that building was designed by Alvar Aalto as a hotel. Now that StoraEnso is, by all accounts, getting ready to leave the building
Finnjet and that building should be united once again. This time as a hotel - conference center. Also as a monument of finnish creativity,
engineering, industry and commerce.
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| posted on 4-9-2008 at 13:12 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hans Kotkavuori
No, the former Finnjet terminal is not going to be destroyed. Not as far as I know, anyway. The plan however, is to erect an X - designed Glassmonster
Hotel on the other end of the same pier. That is the Kanavaterminaali (Nordic Jet Line terminal), the place which is nearest to the former Enso -
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For the sake of clarity, the place we're talking about is where Finnjet is moored in this picture - her normal quay is where the Cinderella is
the same pic. The place would be right next to the Market Square, as close to the center of Helsinki you can get with a ship of that size. I'm not
denying the merits of the Hietalahti shipyard as a place for Jetti, but Kanavaterminaali is better located. And as you say, a hotel is being planned
for the spot anyway, and uniting the former Enso headquarters with their former flagship (both of which share a similar architectural style) would be
a brilliant monument to finnish creativity, engineering, industry and commerce.
The original Finnjet-terminal (Katajanokan terminaali) is safe and sound - it's used by Viking Line and was actually largely renovated and enlarged
earlier this year to accommodate the larger passenger flow of the Viking XPRS. All this for the time being at least; the City of Helsinki has
repeatedly threathened to evict all cruiseferries from the South Harbour due to the (relatively) large amount of car traffic they create. In fact the
reason why Viking have only one ship in Helsinki-Tallinn traffic is that they City informed them that if they want to use two, they'd have to
relocate to the new freight harbour in Lauttasaari - which is located in the middle of nowhere and moving there would be a commercial suicide. So
Viking have just one ship on the route but Tallink have six, as similar restrictions aren't placed on traffic from the West Harbour (despite the fact
it creates even worse traffic jams than the traffic to the South Harbour).
Apologies for the off-topicness.
Finnjet fan in the third generation and the author of Illustrated Carparks of Finland.
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Lottemann
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| posted on 4-9-2008 at 15:58 |
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No time to discuss
Hello people, sorry when I disturb you all, but to find a place for Jetti is not so important as to save her first. The pictures from Alang shows that
the breakers are now pulling her nearer to the beach, and I´m sure they will start the breaking in one or two days! So there is no time left! The
question must be: save or not save her. When we want to save her, we have to buy her NOW! It will be a long time to bring her back to water and to
take her home, there will be time to find a solution for mooring. What about TRAVEMÜNDE for the first few weeks?
Best regards
Frank
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Cornelia
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Well, the simple fact is - that you would not buy a ship, if you do not know where to put it !!!
That's not so hard isn't it ? Who would buy a ship, if it's not sure where you can put it first ? And buy it - to mention that as well, if there
isn't a good business-plan. The business plan that is to be seen on the http://www.profinnjet.fi website does still leave alot of question-marks.
So, actually - what is the matter ? The ones involved in this - did they contact Helsinki officials, Kotka, as well Tallinn, Riga, Stockholm ? I hope,
but don't know the background of course.
The hope is, that there are works in the background going on, of which we do not know anything.
Negative feelings here, no I didn't read that here, to the defense of Mathias and the group who went to Alang, I must say that these folks have
actually been there, came back - wrote a report immediatelly and that one NOT negative at all but in a neutral, fact-based way describe for us what
they did see, without trying to influence with whatever opiniom. That's very good and respectable work.
Let me add, while Mr. Sid's inspection group has not yet came up with a detailed report. Makes me wonder ? Makes others wonder perhaps, too.
This is not only a place here for yippeeeh all good and lucky happy conversations, but we should be also able to view the whole thing with critical
eyes, with care, and hope the right people read, and react, or even ask for help directly !
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O. Littunen
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Exactly, Cornelia! It is of course "dangerous" to buy a ship and then try to find a good place for it. But before Pro Finnjet`s inspection team left
for Alang, many, many people got a message from Mathias/Pro Finnjet, which didn`t only give lots of information, but also asked people to donate for
Finnjet`s saving. And in fact there WAS mentioned a "temporary place for the ship". And I belive that now they are trying to find a better place for
Jetti, maybe in Aurajoki.
Ok, and then about the speculation of Finnjet`s condition: I would just like to remind you, that Pro Finnjet`s inspection has already came back and
Sid probably knows much of Jetti`s condition. If Finnjet would be in terrible condition, Sid wouldn`t continue saving her, but informed, that Jetti
cannot be refoated. Becouse why would he raise money for saving a half-disturbed ship?
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bigbuddy
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Just to add some additional facts:
YES, there is a temporary moorage in Turku-Pansio. The problem is that this moorage doesn't convince the investors at all. As long as there is no
progress in the negotiations with the city of Turku considering where to place her elsewhere they simply won't pay.
Considering another moorage we need to know that most of the current investors want to see the vessel only in Turku.
Nevertheless we should try to find another moorage...and write to the city officials of Turku in order to build up some pressure.
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JJ65
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Has anybody contacted mayor of Turku or mayor of Helsinki,Jussi Pajunen?
I heard that Mr.Pajunen is really openminded gentleman on what comes to make Helsinki interesting place.(e.g Helsinki night of art with
over 40000 spectators watching free concert in senaatintori...etc..)
Maybe we oughta raise address with many signatures in it ,print it out and gather small representation,few peoples who will show the address to the
mayors and why not higher,the minister of culture or minister of education...anyway the highest person who is in charge about this kind of things.
If someone raises an address i will happily give my signature and i know lots of people that will sign too.
Public,in this case eu-wide,hopefully worldwide signatured address is so big thing that all medias are interested and our "big guys" in
Finland´s lead places have to react.
So how about that????can we do it?
I have read Rokker´s earlier post and i think he is right about that
we should not give up never,it is against Finnish nature!!
When Jetti is bought back,i believe that here from Finland,will be enough professional non-mold and trash scary crew to transfer Jetti back to
homewaters.
I am already signed up as a volunteer to take care things as a mechanic,and i guarantee that with few friends,we can start up and keep few Wärtsilä
diesel engines running even if we have to do it without computers,only with "bare hands".
Waiting opinions...Meanwhile i will keep my notorious,mold eating steam vacuum cleaner ready to travel to india,i have to inform Rokker that he will
too,so we can clean the carpets first before the captain enters the ship again,maybe we can open few windows to circulate air and i think,use few of
those small indians to clean toilets that they used...by their colour i think that they have been going through those sewer pipes many times
before
Hmmm
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O. Littunen
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A public address...Hmm...In fact there is already an address at http://www.adressit.com/finnjet, even if it wants the state of Finland to buy Finnjet it tells, how much people would like to
see her again and save her. At the moment there is already 334 signatures and the amount of them is growing up all the time. But I really belive that
if someone saves Finnjet it`s going to be Johnny Sid. And it would be a huge mistage if a good place for Finnjet cannot be found. Like I mentioned
above, people are really interested of saving Finnjet, which of course means that Finnjet would probably be an interesting tourist spot for every
single town.
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Well... as it seems now, that saving the entire ship is practically impossible at this point... and before someone starts shouting - I don´t see
myself being negative, but just realistic 
But I was wondering - has there been any toughts about saving at least few parts - for example the bridge or engine control room? It shoudn´t be
impossible to unscrew at least all panels, gauges and all other _visible_ equipment... of course those would cost some amount of money (no idea how
much, not even roughly), and so would shipping them to Finland.
Storing maybe one or two containers, and maybe building a replica some day should not be impossible. But I think this would require immediate action -
scrapping process is started from interiors...
Yes, I know that there is already that cabin in Kotka´s new Vellamo-museum. But my personal opinion is, that saving some "key" parts from tech.
areas would be even more importat.
I just fear that time is running out... and no money, no funny...
Powered by P&W 1977-2008.... :/
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Cornelia
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I think, it does not depend on friends, or our friends. It does depend on much more really: A mooring place, permanent - in a place, which is
attractive for people to visit. Every businessman seriously interested in saving the ship and turning it into a good business, has - I suggest so -
already tried to contact the key people at the ports of Helsinki, Turku, if not even Stockholm, Riga, Tallinn and the likes !!!
Now, no mooring place, it seems nobody has interest then ? Which answers did Mr. Sid get ?
Then, after a suitable place to be found, there are needed people who know how to run a ship, and as well a hotel/conference-center, wherever that
might be.
It's not as simply as contacing friends, who might have friends. I guess, the ones who are actually involved into the whole task, have tried
everything already, perhaps are still at it, or have given up ? We don't know - Mr. Sid keeps very silent. We will see, what happens but actionism
without a real plan does not help at all.
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As much as I will still like to see the ship safe in Finland, and as much I'd like to see the unlikely to happen... but we have to consider the
possibility that we'll never see our ship again, and definately make a proper plan for that. We have skilled businessmen working on the plans with
hopefull succeedings, but as always, nothing is guaranteed.
So in addition of the endless plans for returning Finnjet back to Europe, I wish that someone has a back-up plan for the case that everything fails
and we should only try to save as many parts of the ship as we can. There is also lots of stuff in addition to the 25kg of paper we brought from Alang
that our audience would like to see, and after this project there should be resources to get it back here.
Anyway after visiting Alang I still hope that somebody saves her as it's very much possible, but as well I'm prepared for the harder option as
that's the cheapest way for anyone in the business although a really expensive case on the historical view....
I am the eggman!
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bigbuddy
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Here's yet another article about Jetti:
http://www.travemuende-aktuell.de/aktuell/nachrichten_12083-Die_Finnjet_ist_n...
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| posted on 8-9-2008 at 19:23 |
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here a nice idea in ebay
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360085458285&a...
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O. Littunen
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Turun sanomat published a short article today. Becouse this is an English-speaking forum, I`ll write the most important facts of the article below:
So, Finnjet`s allotment is going to clear during this Wednesday or Thursday. Johnny Sid of Pro Finnjet Turku tells that if the policy-makers of Turku
cannot decide the ships future, they will give up the saving of the ship. And Pro Finnjet`s wants a fast decision becouse Finnjet has been laying at
the Alang`s ship broker for a long time.
So let`s hope the best! The ship`s "come back" to Finland has never been as close as now!
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As we Finns know, the municipal elections are in next month and all the politicians would like to stand out and get votes to be elected again. The
Finnjet issue is quite a hot potatoe for them as I guess most of the politicians are wondering whether to have an opinion on Finnjet or not... as the
elections are coming I guess the city councellors would listen to the public opinion.. if they see that they will get more votes by saving the ship
they would fight for the mooring place for Finnjet, but if they think that it's a risk or insignificant issue, they will not do any decisions.
"it's better to do nothing than do mistakes" etc..
I'm afraid that Finnjet has got too little publicity in Finnish media lately and most of the publicity have been quite suspicious so also politicians
may think it's not a big deal and just forget it. As they won't do any big decisions just under the elections if they're not 100% sure that the
decision will have a huge positive effect on voters.
As far as In know Finnish municipal politics I guess the chances to get a decision at this point from Turku are something like 1:1000000 (very
little)...
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MTV3 (7pm news) reports that scrapping of the hull has begun.
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O. Gräsbeck
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Yes, I also noticed that. Actually, it informs us that the scrapping of Finnjet has finally begun.
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I feel quite sick.
ISLAND MONKEY
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johan
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The HS article also contained an audio clip, in which a Finnish reporter in Alang is being interviewed.
http://tinyurl.com/4ycpb4
MTV3 has also got a short video of Finnjet in Alang in their nettv (one might have to suffer from a short commercial first).
http://tinyurl.com/4mmpnp
If the video doesn't open, one can e.g. try pressing the text next to Jetti's picture in the frame on the left hand side.
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^thanks for sharing those videos. I'll watch them later to learn more about Finnjet. Anyway, great news on the first post. I'm informed late but
i'm glad they could make use of it.
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A good location for it in town is placing her at Kanavaterminaali (Nordic Jet Line terminal) in Katajanokka rather than building a hotel in place of
the terminal.
foxdrg
Simulation prêt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hans Kotkavuori
The best place in town is "placing her at Kanavaterminaali (Nordic Jet Line terminal) in Katajanokka instead of building a hotel in place of the
terminal", more or less the same spot from where it stood in Helsinki. But Hietalahden telakka, AKER Yarss, Helsinki has it´s merits as well.
So what to do next? |
I agree with the above posts,especially with this one. Any updates on this thread?
Regards,
rachelzank
Prêt travaux
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