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teppo
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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 3-7-2008 at 23:48 |
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Mathias, you are right. Individual emails and phonecalls are not the right way to run a project like this. BUT since this will be the final last try,
you should probably keep the contacts here until the ship is either finally beached or saved. This forum is still widely followed.
I think the biggest problem has been the lack of coordination - collecting investors, giving out information and press releases, and coordinating the
ship rescue, maintenace, and mooring place projects, is a huge task that would need a person with a lot of influence and contacts.
Maybe Martin Saarikangas would have been able to do that, as he is very respected person with a lot of contacts and knowledge about ships. He saved
Wärtsilä shipyards and rebuilt the whole maritime industry in Finland in 90's, so one ship should have been easy  I really don't understand why they did the Espoo city initiative, because
no-one believed it would ever happen, it only took time and effort from the real options.
Too bad that this is all going too fast and the right information about the situation is so hard to get. There is a lot of will but not enough power.
But we need to try...
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Mathias
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 00:15 |
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very true words, I was thinking more or less the same in all points mentioned
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Mazel
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 09:29 |
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@Mathias
I´m sure you did what was in your authority,but to represent the e-mail and phonenumbers was just maybe a last chance to achieve the unpossible...
And I got a mail today that the shipbreakers are intent to give Jetti a chance and a further delay if there would be anyone who indicate interest in
the ship...
This might be a chance...
so far...
Greetz
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teppo
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 10:45 |
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Mazel,
keep on pushing! Have you heard anything from mr Sid so far?
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Mazel
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 11:19 |
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No,I try really hard to acquire anything,but neither Mr. Sid nor Mr.Saarikangas have gave me any comment until now.
I absolutely agree with your last post..."time,money and a common way" are the magic words who will might save Jetti...
So far...I try keep on pushing until all is lost...
Greetz
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K
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 21:48 |
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Helsingin Sanomat article on today's "advanced" beaching: http://www.hs.fi/teksti/tuoreet/artikkeli/1135237666938
Abridged version in English: they managed to pull her only about ten meters further, breaking the winch chains in the progress. A man on the scene
stated it'll be at least another week before she can be properly beached.
I guess the lady is trying to tell us she isn't ready to go just yet. 
Finnjet fan in the third generation and the author of Illustrated Carparks of Finland.
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Rokker
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| posted on 4-7-2008 at 23:33 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by K
I guess the lady is trying to tell us she isn't ready to go just yet.
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I bet also.
Anyway, vessel big and type as Jetti...I quess they don't have know-how to manage with it.
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Purkajat+odottavat+yh%C3%A4+p%C3%A4%C3%A4s...
GTS Finnjet - the Finnish Concorde, Greyhound of the Baltic Sea
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Mazel
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| posted on 5-7-2008 at 00:48 |
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Quite unbelievable what happened during this process,especially because of the prayers of a couple of "misguided" guys here...
But of course they had managed a lot of other "heavy beachings" like Oiltankers,SS Norway,some Aircraftcarrier etc...
But Jetti isn´t already done...she´s rather fighting like a shark...
Nighty night everyone...!
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Kurre
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| posted on 5-7-2008 at 01:05 |
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teppo:" I really don't understand why they did the Espoo city initiative, because no-one believed it would ever happen, it only took time and effort
from the real options."
We made the intiative in Espoo on a high level to awake inverstors, cities, newspapers and TV to tell there is a support we can offer on the political
level. Martin Saarikangas made a big effort to collect people with money and power with his contacts. He really already got speaks of 7 millions but
he told the realistic amount wuold be 10-12 millions that we should need. There had to be a realistic plan what to do with the vessel. The Baltic
sea is already overloaded with ferries, so we had to look at other purposes lodging, budjet hotel, museum, attraction, special trips etc.
But no one could tell the price of upkeeping, service, rising oilprices. The inverstors just lost their belief. Maybe the world has changed so there
was no plase for Finnjet anymore? I think every cruise company in the Baltic will face economic problems soon this year and for example nobody can
tell the destiny of Tallink-Silja with the enormous dept.
I still believe that Finnjet was worth its price and we had got it really for a cheap price if you think of what you got. It is still difficult to
understand how it goes this way. Already made good work and a lot of materia will be destoyed just to get some steel for new purposes. How does all
this correspond with the battle against the climate change and pollution?
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bigbuddy
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| posted on 6-7-2008 at 20:46 |
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She still can be preserved. Mr. Johnny Sid is still fighting for her!
We have to use the time we gained due to the missed final beaching on last Friday.
Even the ship-breakers hold that it is a shame to scrap her already!
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Kurre
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| posted on 6-7-2008 at 23:27 |
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Look at this!
Finnjet is fighting back. It is struggling against the beaching so the wires was bursting! The beaching was not successful.
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Mathias
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| posted on 7-7-2008 at 12:01 |
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Thanks for pointing out the MTv3 video Risto! It must be quite hard for Mr. Sviberg as well, Finnjet was really his baby as he said in the interview.
A newspeper from southern Germany (!!, almost nobody knows any ship here actually ) has published an article on Finnjets fate:
http://www.suedwest-aktiv.de/landundwelt/im_brennpunkt/3690164/artikel.php
For the non german speakers: It doesn't mention anything new.
I'd assume bigbuddy was in contact with them?
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teppo
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| posted on 7-7-2008 at 12:36 |
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Thanks Kurre for your reply, and very nice to meet you here!
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate very much the initiative and effort you and your colleagues made to save the ship. But the information we got about
the project in the media really left the impression that it wouldn't be realistic. And the city council didn't even take the initiative in
concern.
The current condition and maintenance costs are indeed a big question that nobody hasn't evaluated in public so far. As you said the investors would
need a realistic cost estimate and business plan. If it really turns out to be impossible to save and maintain the ship, then we could leave the
speculations as well.
Otherwise I think too that the ship has a huge potential, and if it could be saved now, her history would be even more extraordinary. We would need
some objective and positive publicity, and some expert that could tell in public that the rust in the bow means the ship needs some paint, not that it
is a wreck. Ships do rust and I think we all have travelled in ships that had the paintwork in similar or worse condition!
I wish you guys all the best and I still hope and believe that the ship can be saved! Please keep up the good work!
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baltic dolphin
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| posted on 7-7-2008 at 15:20 |
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Hello all,
why is it not possible to "park" this beautiful and reliable ship at the West harbour in Helsinki? I really don`t know, if the Espoo project could
perhaps be mentioned as the same as the West Harbour?
As I know, at the end of the year most of the West Harbour and North Harbour traffic in Helsinki will move to the new Vuosaari Harbour project, which
will start operating in end 2008. There will perhaps become free space, which could be planned with buildings. I asked the building department in
Helsinki, if there would not be a possibility to integrate the ship in the planning as a hotel or museum. My contact person passed on my question and
ideas to someone other, but I haven`t heard anything about it, yet.
As I have heard, there will be planned a West Harbour Project. I really don`t know, if there would be any capacity to "park" her, but there will be
"water" and why not saving her by this way.
I still hope, that Finnjet could be saved at the last moment, and it would be very sad, to loose such a fantastic ship on such a way.
Naturally it would be nicer, if she could cut the baltic waves with one power, but in todays rising fuel costs, I think it would be too expensive to
operate in a economic way. I always keep my fingers crossed, that she really could be saved. The hope should even not move until the last chance has
been tried to save her.
... but I`m not a real carrot ;-)
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bigbuddy
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@ baltic dolphin:
Can you tell us about the contact so we can write to the responsible persons as well?
Would be really great!
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dieselman
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| posted on 8-7-2008 at 07:46 |
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There is still one Gentleman in Finland i think could help. Mr Bjorn Wahlroos. He has money and he is very interested in boats and hope ships also.
This guy is worth of try.
http://tinyurl.com/63zc3o
Björn is CEO of Sampo Group. http://www.sampo.com/index.html
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baltic dolphin
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| posted on 8-7-2008 at 09:09 |
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@bigbuddy:
I wrote to the Helsinki City Planning Department
e-mail: kaupunkisuunittelu@hel.fi
I really don`t know, if it would be the right place, but I wrote, that they should pass on to the right place, if possible and they did it, I think.
They said that they have passed it on. I didn`t have contact with a special person unfortunaly. Perhaps somebody in Helsinki could try to get more
information. Unfortunaly I couldn`t speak Finnish language, yet and time it running out.
It would be so nice, if there would be rise a last rescue plan.
I keep my fingers crossed for it.
p.s.: In my last statement there was a little mistake: I ment that it would be nicer that she could cut the waves with her OWN power
... but I`m not a real carrot ;-)
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bigbuddy
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Once again I spent the whole evening writing further emails concerning "Jetti's" rescue.
I think that everybody who has got the time should do so.
I believe that there's still a chance!
Please, don't give up! It's Finnjet!
Does anybody know how to get in contact with Martin Saarikangas whilst he's on holiday?
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mikael
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| posted on 8-7-2008 at 21:17 |
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I am doing like buddy,
may one of you german guys could write also to the museum of bremerhaven
Deutsches Schiffahrtsmuseum
Hans-Scharoun-Platz 1 • D-27568 Bremerhaven
Tel. +49 (0)471 48207-0 • Fax +49 (0)471 48207-55
E-Mail: info@dsm.museum
may they have interest in this unicate of maritim engineering, also they could use her as hotel ship and the car deck for more space to show anything,
especially stuff they have only temporaryly. I don´t speak german so I wrote them in english may be that a mail in german will be understood
better.
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mikael
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| posted on 8-7-2008 at 21:44 |
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keep fighting guys
I asked mika häkkinen we will see what he thinks
and see what the guys from rishi think of paint her and chater her to anyone
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Kurre
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| posted on 8-7-2008 at 22:17 |
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A new marinarymuseum was opened yesterday in Kotka, Finland big enough to have Finnjet in its pier outside. The chef remembered tha she was cleaning
Finnjetcabins in her youth and they have one orginal Finnjetcabin stored in the museum. Helsingin Sanomat told about it today.
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Kotkan+uusi+merimuseo+Vellamo+on+hy%C3%B6k...
The Länsisatama in Helsinki could be a suitable place for Finnjet too. The city counsil members in Espoo were divided in their opinions. One part
understand and were really ready to have Finnjet. Others were scared for everything old, problems and need of money. They just dont understand the
the meaning, the chance for Espoo to have something as an attraction that no other city newer has. The initiative will be handled in the autumn and I
am afraid it is too late. You can still try to reach Martin Saarikangas where ever his is +358-400403290. It is a common public number, but do not
tell where you got it.
Anyway, I think he has given up, but Finnjet is ever in his heart, as he has been planning, building and driving it. Even the smallest cabins are
dimentioned by his own physical measures. He is 197 tall and the cabins are at least 207 wide to have 5 cm free space in the both ends. Finnjet was
the first ferry based cabins for everyone. The others had moustly only sleep-in chairs.
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Crystal grower
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| posted on 9-7-2008 at 18:06 |
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Hello from Hellsinki!
I have read this Forum about 1,5 month. The Jet is in Alang but what is the situation, has the demolition started? Anybody knows?
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bigbuddy
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@Crystal grower:
As far as we know the demolition has not started yet due to the failed final beaching on last Saturday. We all are still trying to preserve her!
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K
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| posted on 9-7-2008 at 19:56 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kurre
The Länsisatama in Helsinki could be a suitable place for Finnjet too. |
I suggested a while back at another forum (might have mentioned it here as well) that instead of building the Aalto-hotel in place of
Kanavaterminaali, the city of Helsinki could have Jetti permanently moored at the same location as a floating hotel. The central location would
certainly help, and putting a ship as famous as Jetti there would cause far less resistance from the public than the modernist hotel that's being
planned. Sadly no-one took the idea up, as I believe it could have (well, still could) work rather well.
Finnjet fan in the third generation and the author of Illustrated Carparks of Finland.
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bigbuddy
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@K:
Another great idea! I wonder whether you can try to contact the city of Helsinki and tell them about your idea. I simply do not have the time as I
currently try to wake up some other people in terms of "Jetti's" current situation and the possibility to save her.
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