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maakrapu
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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 24-6-2008 at 15:38 |
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yep, that looks beached to me also
The Helsingin Sanomat got their information about the delayed beaching date from the photobank, who got their information from the photographer who
got his information from the breakers - so misunderstanding could have happened. Maybe the breakers ment that the actual scrapping begins on 4th of
July and when a journalist not familiar with Alang scenery sees a ship surrouded by water he may think it still floats ..but as said, looks beached to
me.
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| posted on 24-6-2008 at 16:08 |
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Yeah, the picture in the in-print version of HS quite clearly shows she's beached - I would have pointed that out earlier, but still can't post from
work... Anyway, 4th July might still hold true in a way, as ships are usually dragged "up" the beach gradually, thanks to tides and the hull getting
lighter as interior fittings etc. are removed.
Also a point from the pic on internet HS article - you can just see the rear of the 1966 Finnhansa, one of the ships the Finnjet originally replaced
on the Finland-Germany route, near the left-hand border of the pic.
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Mathias
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| posted on 24-6-2008 at 16:18 |
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yes thats possible, they might tow her further up on 4th of July but thats without own power. The photo could show how far Finnjet got with own
power.... On 4th of July tide will be at least about 1m higher still than on 19th June.
Sure its Finnhansa?
Heres my theory for the photo:
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| posted on 24-6-2008 at 16:54 |
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O M G.
The printed HS image shows it all. An era has ended. You can clearly see how close She really is to the "dock" and cabels connected like like
handcuffs... She may try to escape but faith decided othervise.
Rest In Peace old Lady. Pass away with dignity, alongside your older brother...
We'll miss you. Forever.
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maakrapu
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| posted on 24-6-2008 at 17:02 |
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Actually Finnhansa arrived at Alang few weeks before Finnjet and the ship sure looks like it ...kind of a strange coincidence that those ships meet
there 
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| posted on 24-6-2008 at 19:02 |
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Hello everybody, although it looks to me also as she's already been beached, I ask myself whether it would be possible to pull her back into the sea
when the tide is high.
I still won't believe that everything is lost!
What about the idea of Kimi Räikkönen buying her? Did anybody inform the Finnish press? What about a cooperation of the four (!) investor groups?
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Mathias
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 00:45 |
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people with ideas should transform them into action 
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Mathias
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 00:55 |
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so, to clear up once again, on 4th of July 2008 the tide at Alang will be even higher than on the beaching date 19.6., so its well possible she could
be towed back to the sea. But as one of you noticed, the price for her won't be anything close to 9 Millions anymore, the ship breaker has probably
spend much time in planning the scrapping, workers needed, getting beaching permissions and all that stuff and selling the ship again will make him
short of income from scrap metal in a moment he would need money in normal procedures.... So I'd only guess that the price for Finnjet could easily
be +50% compared to the last known prices and also I don't think that beaching a hip of that size has no influence on the hull, remember that
Finnjets propellers range up to 20cm under the superstructure of the hull and they would probably encounter serious damage when beaching... Also the
gearboxes could be smashed if they ran her aground without cutting power and "taking out the gear" before touching the plot, no idea if they do
that. According to someone they have even hooked the hull to the ground with a kind of "stick" drilled through the hull, not sure if that is true.
That would at least mean parts of her engine room must be flooded, if that hasn't already happened while floating... anyway theres lots of doubts and
problems to be considered and I know everybody will hate me for pointing out all this but it is simply very hard to imagine Finnjet could be brought
back to profitable service for any small money. Renewing the certificates etc. is also very difficult and expensive if they are once expired.
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 10:07 |
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No, you are just pointing out the facts as they stand, I think it is definately over.
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 14:34 |
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Same picture as before, but differently cropped. The adjacent ship is more visible. I doubt it is the old Finnhansa.
http://www.hbl.fi/ekonomi/bildvisning.php?artikel=f1320
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 14:48 |
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Unfortunately I didn't notice this before the previous posting, but according to the article (a Swedish newspaper in Finland) in which the previous
picture was shown, Finnjet was inspected (katsastettu / besichtiget) in April.
http://www.hbl.fi/text/ekonomi/2008/6/24/w14825.php
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maakrapu
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 15:55 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by johan
Same picture as before, but differently cropped. The adjacent ship is more visible. I doubt it is the old Finnhansa. |
This is different view so the ship visible in HBL pic is not the same visible in HS pic.
I think there's a lot more pics from the same photographer available at the photobank - wonder how expensive those pics are...
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 16:09 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by maakrapu
| Quote: | Originally posted by johan
Same picture as before, but differently cropped. The adjacent ship is more visible. I doubt it is the old Finnhansa. |
This is different view so the ship visible in HBL pic is not the same visible in HS pic. |
Yes indeed. If you compare the HS pic and the HBL pic it becomes evident it's an entirely different ship in the latter:
 
If you compare the stern of the Princesa Marissa from this Louis
postcard with the stern visible in the HS pic, I'd say it's quite definately the same ship. The shape and colours match, and the ex-Finnhansa
left Cyprus for Alang in May, so the timeline matches as well.
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 17:12 |
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Hi,
It would be an incredible coincidence that the two ships would meet there but as far as I can see it is not the Finnhansa.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Louis/PrinMarissa02.jpg 
The bull eyes are not identical and the upper structure not completlly identical.
[url= http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/finnhansa_1966.htm]Link toFinnhansa[/url]
It seems that the Indian Shipyard likes royal names, the old Finnhansa was called Prince for her last voyage towards Alang
Steen Burnaes
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 posted on 25-6-2008 at 18:56 |
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I think as long as we're not completely sure that she's finally beached and has suffered serious damage any efforts to save her are still
worthwhile!
Yesterday I wrote another email to Mr. Saarikangas and some people of the Lillbacka Oy led investor group. However, I'm not sure whether I've got
the correct contacts at Lillbacka. Furthermore I don't know any contact of the Turku based investor group led by Johnny Sid either - maybe someone
can help me?! I want to try to reactivate their efforts to save "Jetti" maybe cooperating with each other.
Can someone from Finland please try to start another appeal on the news(papers). Maybe any Finish celebrity can help us. I think their are enough
people to support her rescue if there's a promising project what to do with her. And I'm sure there can be one.
Don't give up until we're sure that everything is lost. Kepa's theory sounds logical to me: as she's drained and a quite stern heavy ship what we
see on the pictures could exactly be the way she looks still floating!
We need more supporters not only posting into this fabulous forum but starting own efforts to save her as we're definitely running out of time! As
Mathias already said earlier: Everybody who has an idea should try to transform it!
Go on! Keep on trying!
I'll keep my fingers crossed and won't give until we receive the final confirmation...
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 19:32 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Steen
It would be an incredible coincidence that the two ships would meet there but as far as I can see it is not the Finnhansa.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Louis/PrinMarissa02.jpg
The bull eyes are not identical and the upper structure not completlly identical.
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Yah, but I was referring to the other picture, the originally in Helsingin Sanomat. The ship in the picture from Alang you've re-posted above is
obviously not the Finnhansa, but the ship in the earlier picture is. An extremely low-quality enlargement of the ship I meant (the while ship behind
the hulk scrap metal, obviously):
Now comparing with the image of Princesa Marissa you posted:
I'd say the ship in question is definately the ex-Finnhansa. Like I said before, the colours match her Louis livery, the shape of the stern in
identical, and you can partially see both the funnels the extra deck added in 1980.
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 21:13 |
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I would think Finnjet isn't really damaged by beaching. Sailing a ship into soft sand doesn't really cause much damage, in some places it can be
even used as a way of mooring, although on a much smaller speed. Also propeller shafts shouldn't recieve such a strong stress that they would go out
of line or damage gearboxes. Anyway Finnjet's stern is probably also still floating free. Also filling engine rooms with water sounds really strange
as there's lots of valuable parts inside.
So most probably currently needed reparations could be done with anti-fouling paint, although I agree that there's no-one who would do it anymore.
I am the eggman!
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| posted on 25-6-2008 at 21:54 |
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Painting would be needed anyway after Atlantic Ocean and after four years since last maintenance.
Anyhow, I guess that after arrival to Alang waters the vessel will need something else than just painting.
I wonder how strong tools they have in Alang to chop vessels like Finnjet. She is in 1A Super class in breaking ice, and I assume that it means
stronger hull. I also hope that they blunt lot of blades while cutting her down =)
GTS Finnjet - the Finnish Concorde, Greyhound of the Baltic Sea
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 10:17 |
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probably a malaria jab
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 10:58 |
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Of course it is not FINNHANSA! The ship that its stern can be clearly seen, is the ZAMAN, ex CAPTAIN ZAMAN ex EL GRECO, originally built in Japan in
1972, as the FERRY ATSUTA! FINNHANSA, as it has already been mentioned, can be seen (stern only) in another photo.
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 12:51 |
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The sister ship of the Finnhansa was cut up at the Alang beach as well
She probably ended up as construction steel as most of the old ships in Alang
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 12:53 |
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It was by the way the old Prinz Hamlet once doing the Hamburg - Harwich run
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 13:10 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Steen
It would be an incredible coincidence that the two ships would meet there but as far as I can see it is not the Finnhansa.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Louis/PrinMarissa02.jpg
The bull eyes are not identical and the upper structure not completlly identical.
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Yah, but I was referring to the other picture, the originally in Helsingin Sanomat. The ship in the picture from Alang you've re-posted above is
obviously not the Finnhansa, but the ship in the earlier picture is. An extremely low-quality enlargement of the ship I meant (the while ship behind
the hulk scrap metal, obviously):
Now comparing with the image of Princesa Marissa you posted:
I'd say the ship in question is definately the ex-Finnhansa. Like I said before, the colours match her Louis livery, the shape of the stern in
identical, and you can partially see both the funnels the extra deck added in 1980. |
yes it is - no doubt that this is the former PRINCESA MARISSA, she arrived as "PRINCE"
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maakrapu
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 16:14 |
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Has anyone profile on LinkedIn? It seems that the Polaris Images photographer who has visited the beach and shot photos of Finnjet has a profile there
..maybe we could ask first hand information from him rather than believe what Helsingin Sanomat says they heard from the Polaris images who heard it
from the photographer who heard it from the breakers...
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| posted on 26-6-2008 at 16:21 |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Steen
The sister ship of the Finnhansa was cut up at the Alang beach as well
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The 1966 Finnpartner probably was cut up at Alang (Fakta om Fartyg says just "India"), but the one you posted the pics about, the ex-Prins Hamlet,
was scrapped in Aliaga, Turkey.
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